(3BL Media/Justmeans) -Â Chris Laszlo isÂ an Associate Professor of Organizational Behavior at the Fowler Center at Case Western Reserve University. He is also the Faculty Director for Research and Outreach there. He authored several books including Embedded Sustainability: The Next Big Competitive Advantage (2011), and Sustainable Value (2013). Chris also a contributed to Flourishing Enterprise(2014) along with John Ehrenfeld, Judy Brown, Roger Saillant and others from the Weatherhead School.
I managed to grab Chris for a brief but very interesting chat during the Flourish and Prosper Conference last week at Case Western Reserve University.
Justmeans: Maybe you could talk about how some of the ideas being raised at this conference relate to your work.
Chris Laszlo: John Ehrenfeld and I were reflecting this morning about the power of ideas. We have this idea that sustainability was reaching a point of diminishing returns and that we need reframing, which John has been doing. One thing really new is the idea of tying in reflective practices as a way to get people to feel more connected to each other and to the world. That leads to caring and that leads to a more robust sustainability business agenda which creates value for business and society and that raises awareness and then youâre in a virtuous circle. But it all starts with reflective practices.
JM: Reflective practices. Could you elaborate?
CL: One of the things thatâs in the book is the idea that the reflective practices, like meditation, for example, are important not just because they allow us to stop multitasking and be quiet and still. Stilling the senses and getting more centered also might help us to tap into a universal consciousness. That idea hasnât fully emerged in this conference. I donât think people quite get that. They get that reflective practices can be essential in todayâs crazy multi-tasking world. And they can see that having check-ins before meetings, having a meditation room, breaks to go outside to spend a moment in nature, can all have benefits. But why those reflective practices can lead to you feel more deeply connected to yourself, to others and to nature is still a black box to most people.
JM: Go on.
CL: New scientific discoveries are showing us that the ultimate nature of the physical universe is not materialistic, itâs not made up of billiard balls grouped together in empty space, but that Â there is this interconnecting field of energy, the quantum field. And furthermore that there is an extraordinary degree of coherence at every level: at the quantum level, at the biological level and at the cosmological level. We know there are only a small number constants that constrain the dynamic balance of life. The same thing is true with the Big Bang. If the universe had had an expansion rate slightly faster it would have just flown apart, but if it were much slower, it would implode. Thereâs so much fine balance in the world.
JM: And this is something we might want to develop a relationship to.
CL: Â I think thereâs a growing view among scientists that what the great spiritual thinkers have said, in many different civilizations and many different times, that behind the material world is a spiritual world. Think of the concept of Brahma from the Vedanta, or Tao from Taoism, or Asha from Zoroastrianism, or even the Kabbalah has this notion of ein soft ,a Â state beyond the ordinary. Â And now youâve got physicists like Dr. John Hagelin,Â Sir Roger Penrose, and Stuart Â Hammeroff, which are starting to say that consciousness itself is not this electrical activity of axions or dendrites, but actually at a much finer level, there are microtubules in the brain that are accessing quantum information.
JM: So is there something essential that weâve been missing?